1 00:00:05,269 --> 00:00:01,880 hi everyone this is Martin Willis with 2 00:00:07,190 --> 00:00:05,279 podcast UFO welcome to episode number 17 3 00:00:10,070 --> 00:00:07,200 with Kathleen Martin 4 00:00:12,890 --> 00:00:10,080 she is mu Fonz international director of 5 00:00:14,270 --> 00:00:12,900 abduction studies just a couple of quick 6 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:14,280 announcements you can follow us on 7 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:51,119 hi everyone I'm with Kathleen Martin 8 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:54,010 she is a UFO abduction researcher author 9 00:00:58,740 --> 00:00:56,410 and lecturer how you doing Kathleen I'm 10 00:01:00,660 --> 00:00:58,750 fine thanks nice to be with you today 11 00:01:04,020 --> 00:01:00,670 yes thanks so much for meeting up with 12 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:04,030 me and it's lucky we're not all that far 13 00:01:08,010 --> 00:01:06,610 apart um I live up in Maine and you're 14 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:08,020 down here in Massachusetts for the 15 00:01:12,870 --> 00:01:11,050 summer sowhat's outbreak yes yeah years 16 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:12,880 ago I remember when the movie came out 17 00:01:20,910 --> 00:01:16,450 in 1975 the interrupted journey it was 18 00:01:23,279 --> 00:01:20,920 the UFO incident based upon the book the 19 00:01:26,310 --> 00:01:23,289 UI suit the interrupted journey by John 20 00:01:29,430 --> 00:01:26,320 G fuller right and Betty and Barney Hill 21 00:01:33,510 --> 00:01:29,440 now Betty was your aunt yes she was yes 22 00:01:37,649 --> 00:01:33,520 I would consider both that abduction and 23 00:01:40,290 --> 00:01:37,659 Travis Walton the most solid abductions 24 00:01:43,410 --> 00:01:40,300 that I know of anyway I agree with you 25 00:01:45,649 --> 00:01:43,420 yeah yes and try I'd love to have Travis 26 00:01:47,490 --> 00:01:45,659 on the show I have we've had some 27 00:01:49,740 --> 00:01:47,500 conversation back and forth but 28 00:01:52,319 --> 00:01:49,750 hopefully he'll be on soon well he's a 29 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:52,329 great guy so I I hope he comes on your 30 00:02:00,300 --> 00:01:55,810 show yeah yeah I want to ask you first 31 00:02:03,179 --> 00:02:00,310 of all now that happened in 1961 and I 32 00:02:05,910 --> 00:02:03,189 want to find out what it was like for 33 00:02:09,539 --> 00:02:05,920 you to first hear about this from your 34 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:09,549 and how did all that come about well my 35 00:02:15,210 --> 00:02:12,850 aunt was my mother's oldest sister they 36 00:02:18,210 --> 00:02:15,220 were very close so when Betty and Barney 37 00:02:21,509 --> 00:02:18,220 returned home after having a close 38 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:21,519 encounter with a very large silent 39 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:24,610 hovering disc that was definitely not 40 00:02:32,340 --> 00:02:28,450 from this planet Betty called my mother 41 00:02:36,690 --> 00:02:32,350 and I was seated in the same room really 42 00:02:38,970 --> 00:02:36,700 uh it was September 20th 1961 so I 43 00:02:41,430 --> 00:02:38,980 overheard their conversation 44 00:02:45,750 --> 00:02:41,440 then my mother filled me in on what 45 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:45,760 Betty said and within two days my family 46 00:02:52,660 --> 00:02:49,690 went to Portsmouth and firsthand I heard 47 00:02:55,690 --> 00:02:52,670 the story and I saw some of the 48 00:02:57,580 --> 00:02:55,700 evidence as well wow the car I saw the 49 00:03:00,820 --> 00:02:57,590 spots on the trunk of the car 50 00:03:03,250 --> 00:03:00,830 yes very shiny concentric circles that 51 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:03,260 caused a compass needle to spin and spin 52 00:03:11,110 --> 00:03:07,489 Wow and at that point I know under 53 00:03:12,850 --> 00:03:11,120 hypnosis they really became shook up and 54 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:12,860 stuff was she very how was she at that 55 00:03:20,470 --> 00:03:16,370 point at first at first she was very 56 00:03:22,930 --> 00:03:20,480 concerned and and excited as well this 57 00:03:25,630 --> 00:03:22,940 was something entirely new to her she 58 00:03:28,449 --> 00:03:25,640 and my uncle had never read anything on 59 00:03:34,180 --> 00:03:28,459 the topic had never had an interest in 60 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:34,190 the topic before so she was very curious 61 00:03:40,150 --> 00:03:37,850 and concerned also about the possibility 62 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:40,160 of contamination because that craft 63 00:03:45,220 --> 00:03:43,370 hovered only a hundred or 200 feet above 64 00:03:48,850 --> 00:03:45,230 them so they were very concerned about 65 00:03:51,699 --> 00:03:48,860 that mm-hmm now I know there's there's a 66 00:03:56,530 --> 00:03:51,709 lot of misinformation out there about 67 00:03:58,330 --> 00:03:56,540 this case just for the odd chance that 68 00:04:00,940 --> 00:03:58,340 someone might be listening in Europe 69 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:00,950 somewhere that has never heard this 70 00:04:08,259 --> 00:04:03,650 story in its entirety it's the first 71 00:04:10,539 --> 00:04:08,269 known abduction case a landmark case I 72 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:10,549 would say can you in a nutshell explain 73 00:04:15,789 --> 00:04:13,370 the whole situation yes Betty and Barney 74 00:04:18,430 --> 00:04:15,799 were returning home from a brief 75 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:18,440 vacation they were driving during the 76 00:04:23,140 --> 00:04:20,810 night because there was a hurricane 77 00:04:25,659 --> 00:04:23,150 coming up the coast and they wanted to 78 00:04:28,029 --> 00:04:25,669 return home before the hurricane struck 79 00:04:31,029 --> 00:04:28,039 they were driving through upstate New 80 00:04:33,670 --> 00:04:31,039 Hampshire when they saw a new light in 81 00:04:36,670 --> 00:04:33,680 the sky the odd thing about it was that 82 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:36,680 it was flying very rapidly upward and 83 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:40,610 Betty attempted to identify this in all 84 00:04:46,060 --> 00:04:43,850 they got out of the car three times to 85 00:04:50,620 --> 00:04:46,070 look at this craft as it came in closer 86 00:04:53,050 --> 00:04:50,630 and closer it finally surged ahead and 87 00:04:56,050 --> 00:04:53,060 hovered directly over the top of their 88 00:04:58,669 --> 00:04:56,060 vehicle causing my uncle to have to stop 89 00:05:01,519 --> 00:04:58,679 the car he got out of it 90 00:05:07,039 --> 00:05:01,529 took his binoculars and his pistol as 91 00:05:10,189 --> 00:05:07,049 well looked up at it as this huge disc 92 00:05:13,699 --> 00:05:10,199 hovered only about a hundred feet above 93 00:05:16,939 --> 00:05:13,709 him it shifted location to an adjacent 94 00:05:19,849 --> 00:05:16,949 field and there he looked at it through 95 00:05:24,429 --> 00:05:19,859 binoculars and observed nine to eleven 96 00:05:27,769 --> 00:05:24,439 figures looking down at him the craft 97 00:05:33,139 --> 00:05:27,779 then tilted a little bit in his 98 00:05:36,949 --> 00:05:33,149 direction as most of those beings went 99 00:05:40,579 --> 00:05:36,959 to what appeared to be a panel on the 100 00:05:42,679 --> 00:05:40,589 backside of the circular hallway in the 101 00:05:46,849 --> 00:05:42,689 craft that went around the circumference 102 00:05:51,259 --> 00:05:46,859 of the craft one remained at the window 103 00:05:54,979 --> 00:05:51,269 and it seemed to hold a special 104 00:05:59,299 --> 00:05:54,989 attraction for Barney it stared down and 105 00:06:01,339 --> 00:05:59,309 this beings appearance caused Barney to 106 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:01,349 become terribly frightened he knew 107 00:06:07,539 --> 00:06:04,289 immediately that it was somehow not 108 00:06:10,249 --> 00:06:07,549 human he had full conscious recall of 109 00:06:12,679 --> 00:06:10,259 observing these beings from the tops of 110 00:06:14,299 --> 00:06:12,689 their heads down to their knees he could 111 00:06:18,619 --> 00:06:14,309 see that they were dressed in black 112 00:06:22,939 --> 00:06:18,629 shiny uniforms they moved in unison they 113 00:06:27,319 --> 00:06:22,949 were as I said before not human the one 114 00:06:32,149 --> 00:06:27,329 staring down at Barney caused him to 115 00:06:35,419 --> 00:06:32,159 feel that he was about to be captured he 116 00:06:38,419 --> 00:06:35,429 said like a bug in a net and he became 117 00:06:41,389 --> 00:06:38,429 terribly frightened broke away and ran 118 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:41,399 back to the car screaming to Betty that 119 00:06:46,339 --> 00:06:43,529 they had to get out of there or they 120 00:06:49,189 --> 00:06:46,349 were going to be captured the craft then 121 00:06:52,309 --> 00:06:49,199 shifted location from the field to just 122 00:06:54,379 --> 00:06:52,319 above their car as Barney went speeding 123 00:06:56,929 --> 00:06:54,389 down Route three which was the major 124 00:07:01,069 --> 00:06:56,939 highway at that time in northern New 125 00:07:03,499 --> 00:07:01,079 Hampshire the craft was hovering over 126 00:07:06,829 --> 00:07:03,509 the top of the car Betty rolled down the 127 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:06,839 window and looked up and all she could 128 00:07:10,980 --> 00:07:10,050 see was blackness it was like a black 129 00:07:13,470 --> 00:07:10,990 void 130 00:07:15,030 --> 00:07:13,480 she should have seen the stars she 131 00:07:18,450 --> 00:07:15,040 should have seen the moon it was a 132 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:18,460 bright starry night but she didn't and 133 00:07:23,700 --> 00:07:20,770 she and Barney later realized that the 134 00:07:27,660 --> 00:07:23,710 craft was hovering just above their 135 00:07:30,900 --> 00:07:27,670 vehicle this is when they heard a series 136 00:07:33,750 --> 00:07:30,910 of code like buzzing sounds that seemed 137 00:07:36,060 --> 00:07:33,760 to be striking the trunk of the car they 138 00:07:38,190 --> 00:07:36,070 caused the car to vibrate and for a 139 00:07:40,890 --> 00:07:38,200 tingling sensation to pass through 140 00:07:44,460 --> 00:07:40,900 Betty's and Barney's bodies the next 141 00:07:47,550 --> 00:07:44,470 thing they knew they found themselves 35 142 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:47,560 miles south on Route three 143 00:07:53,460 --> 00:07:50,890 they had very very little recall for 144 00:07:56,130 --> 00:07:53,470 what happened in the interim they were 145 00:07:59,430 --> 00:07:56,140 startled awake by a second series of 146 00:08:02,790 --> 00:07:59,440 these beeping or buzzing sounds and they 147 00:08:05,909 --> 00:08:02,800 recalled that they had encountered a 148 00:08:09,380 --> 00:08:05,919 road block somewhere along the way they 149 00:08:13,350 --> 00:08:09,390 didn't know where or when they also 150 00:08:16,350 --> 00:08:13,360 recalled observing a fiery orb in the 151 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:16,360 road and Barney remembered that it 152 00:08:24,540 --> 00:08:20,050 seemed to be moving but he wasn't moving 153 00:08:29,100 --> 00:08:24,550 it was very very perplexing he and Betty 154 00:08:32,490 --> 00:08:29,110 then continued on home they really were 155 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:32,500 seeking human contact it was the middle 156 00:08:37,079 --> 00:08:34,330 of the night they couldn't find a 157 00:08:39,450 --> 00:08:37,089 restaurant that was open and so they 158 00:08:42,300 --> 00:08:39,460 just drove to their home in Portsmouth 159 00:08:44,850 --> 00:08:42,310 and when they arrived they realized that 160 00:08:47,550 --> 00:08:44,860 they were later than they had 161 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:47,560 anticipated even allowing for those 162 00:08:54,620 --> 00:08:51,130 three stops it would be two months 163 00:08:57,780 --> 00:08:54,630 before they retraced that route and 164 00:09:01,020 --> 00:08:57,790 discovered that it was a full two hours 165 00:09:02,340 --> 00:09:01,030 that they were missing Wow boy you know 166 00:09:04,170 --> 00:09:02,350 I just learned a few things that I 167 00:09:07,620 --> 00:09:04,180 didn't know that was really interesting 168 00:09:09,390 --> 00:09:07,630 now I know Karl Sieg and wrote something 169 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:09,400 on this and there was a lot of 170 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:12,970 conjecture on his part that Stan 171 00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:15,610 Freedman tried to correct but did not 172 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:17,710 get corrected has there been a lot of 173 00:09:23,850 --> 00:09:19,690 publications out there with 174 00:09:26,329 --> 00:09:23,860 misinformation about this yes there have 175 00:09:29,550 --> 00:09:26,339 there has been an incredible amount of 176 00:09:33,150 --> 00:09:29,560 misinformation regarding this case I 177 00:09:36,449 --> 00:09:33,160 have all of the original records all of 178 00:09:38,610 --> 00:09:36,459 the investigation reports and the 179 00:09:43,170 --> 00:09:38,620 original statements made by Betty and 180 00:09:46,079 --> 00:09:43,180 Barney so I have documented evidence of 181 00:09:48,750 --> 00:09:46,089 what was correct and what was not a 182 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:48,760 correct information and I use that 183 00:09:54,150 --> 00:09:51,130 information when I wrote the book 184 00:09:57,540 --> 00:09:54,160 captured the Betty and Barney Hill UFO 185 00:10:00,660 --> 00:09:57,550 experience my purpose in writing that 186 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:00,670 one of my purposes was in order to set 187 00:10:06,150 --> 00:10:03,370 the record straight to separate fact 188 00:10:08,940 --> 00:10:06,160 from fiction regarding their case now 189 00:10:11,670 --> 00:10:08,950 you did you write that with Stan I wrote 190 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:11,680 about 85 percent of the book who's 191 00:10:15,030 --> 00:10:14,170 Danton Friedman wrote two chapters one 192 00:10:16,889 --> 00:10:15,040 on the starmap 193 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:16,899 he was instrumental in that 194 00:10:22,710 --> 00:10:20,170 investigation and also he wrote one 195 00:10:25,139 --> 00:10:22,720 called disbelievers and dis informants 196 00:10:28,829 --> 00:10:25,149 he also served the very important 197 00:10:32,220 --> 00:10:28,839 purpose of vetting my work for accuracy 198 00:10:35,579 --> 00:10:32,230 I wanted to to know that that book was 199 00:10:38,730 --> 00:10:35,589 entirely unbiased and in fact he 200 00:10:43,350 --> 00:10:38,740 commented that he was pleased that I was 201 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:43,360 willing to show Betty warts and all know 202 00:10:50,069 --> 00:10:46,810 now that the star map that she wrote 203 00:10:52,530 --> 00:10:50,079 that's an incredible story that wasn't 204 00:10:54,449 --> 00:10:52,540 an astronomer that actually figured that 205 00:10:56,699 --> 00:10:54,459 out later on or something like that it 206 00:10:58,980 --> 00:10:56,709 well first let me tell you a little bit 207 00:11:02,790 --> 00:10:58,990 about the star map when when Betty was 208 00:11:05,970 --> 00:11:02,800 on the craft her examination had been 209 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:05,980 completed and she was left alone in the 210 00:11:11,790 --> 00:11:09,250 room with the person that she calls the 211 00:11:14,850 --> 00:11:11,800 leader we know today that that is the 212 00:11:17,430 --> 00:11:14,860 escort abduction experiencers see that 213 00:11:21,509 --> 00:11:17,440 person over and over again as their 214 00:11:23,610 --> 00:11:21,519 abducted but she said to him in sort of 215 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:23,620 an understatement well I know you're not 216 00:11:30,030 --> 00:11:26,410 from around here where are you from and 217 00:11:32,250 --> 00:11:30,040 so he produced a three dimensional star 218 00:11:35,350 --> 00:11:32,260 map but appeared sort of like a 219 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:35,360 holographic image and on that star 220 00:11:41,860 --> 00:11:39,649 there were a couple of large circles 221 00:11:44,410 --> 00:11:41,870 about the size of nickels and then there 222 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:44,420 were smaller circles and they were 223 00:11:51,910 --> 00:11:48,050 connected some by solid lines some by 224 00:11:56,699 --> 00:11:51,920 dots and under hypnosis with dr. 225 00:12:00,040 --> 00:11:56,709 Benjamin Simon Betty was instructed to 226 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:00,050 draw that star map if she could remember 227 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:03,170 it accurately and if it didn't trouble 228 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:06,290 her too much she went home and almost 229 00:12:13,300 --> 00:12:09,410 through automatic writing you might say 230 00:12:15,790 --> 00:12:13,310 she drew that star map it was published 231 00:12:19,329 --> 00:12:15,800 in John Fuller's interrupted journey 232 00:12:21,819 --> 00:12:19,339 aunt Marjorie fish who is a brilliant 233 00:12:25,660 --> 00:12:21,829 woman from Ohio and an amateur 234 00:12:28,420 --> 00:12:25,670 astronomer saw that map she was highly 235 00:12:31,630 --> 00:12:28,430 skeptical but she reasoned that if that 236 00:12:35,019 --> 00:12:31,640 place actually existed in our galaxy she 237 00:12:39,670 --> 00:12:35,029 might be able to find it so she set out 238 00:12:41,610 --> 00:12:39,680 to do just that in all she built 26 239 00:12:46,060 --> 00:12:41,620 models of our local galactic 240 00:12:50,500 --> 00:12:46,070 neighborhood out 55 light-years looking 241 00:12:53,829 --> 00:12:50,510 for the location of the stars on this 242 00:12:58,150 --> 00:12:53,839 map she thought she would have many 243 00:13:00,730 --> 00:12:58,160 finds in the end there was only one Wow 244 00:13:03,579 --> 00:13:00,740 the great difficulty she faced is that 245 00:13:05,620 --> 00:13:03,589 the astronomical catalogues were not 246 00:13:08,949 --> 00:13:05,630 readily available to her so she had to 247 00:13:11,530 --> 00:13:08,959 go to the University and hand copy all 248 00:13:14,620 --> 00:13:11,540 of the distance data and then she went 249 00:13:19,150 --> 00:13:14,630 back to her home and constructed these 250 00:13:22,210 --> 00:13:19,160 models imagine the math alone that she 251 00:13:26,079 --> 00:13:22,220 did to put every star in its proper 252 00:13:30,610 --> 00:13:26,089 location from the wind in 1972 she 253 00:13:34,930 --> 00:13:30,620 finally had a match and only one match 254 00:13:38,259 --> 00:13:34,940 after looking for several years the 255 00:13:41,530 --> 00:13:38,269 interesting thing about that match was 256 00:13:46,269 --> 00:13:41,540 that all of the stars on Betty's map 257 00:13:46,750 --> 00:13:46,279 were sun-like stars although only 5% of 258 00:13:50,070 --> 00:13:46,760 the 259 00:13:54,940 --> 00:13:50,080 in that neighborhood war sunlight Wow 260 00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:54,950 she only found that match after three 261 00:14:00,760 --> 00:13:57,680 stars were listed in that catalogue that 262 00:14:03,550 --> 00:14:00,770 had not been listed in other catalogs we 263 00:14:05,500 --> 00:14:03,560 didn't even know about them back when 264 00:14:07,870 --> 00:14:05,510 Betty drew that map Wow 265 00:14:11,590 --> 00:14:07,880 that that is totally amazing now let's 266 00:14:13,900 --> 00:14:11,600 go back to where she contacted your 267 00:14:16,540 --> 00:14:13,910 mother and you went to the house and all 268 00:14:18,130 --> 00:14:16,550 that how long was it before she actually 269 00:14:19,930 --> 00:14:18,140 reported it and how did she go about 270 00:14:23,650 --> 00:14:19,940 reporting the incident 271 00:14:26,470 --> 00:14:23,660 Betty reported the incident on the 272 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:26,480 evening that they arrived home from 273 00:14:33,460 --> 00:14:30,650 their trip she had contacted my mother 274 00:14:36,190 --> 00:14:33,470 and the former chief chief of police in 275 00:14:38,620 --> 00:14:36,200 Newton New Hampshire was at the house he 276 00:14:40,540 --> 00:14:38,630 was my father's best friend and he would 277 00:14:44,350 --> 00:14:40,550 stop by for coffee on his way home from 278 00:14:47,290 --> 00:14:44,360 work so she told him about that and he 279 00:14:49,540 --> 00:14:47,300 said that Pease Air Force Base in 280 00:14:51,610 --> 00:14:49,550 Newington New Hampshire had instructed 281 00:14:54,460 --> 00:14:51,620 the local police departments that if 282 00:14:56,710 --> 00:14:54,470 anyone had observed a UFO they should 283 00:14:59,110 --> 00:14:56,720 report it to Pease Air Force Base so 284 00:15:01,060 --> 00:14:59,120 Betty called the base she spoke to them 285 00:15:04,450 --> 00:15:01,070 briefly that night and then the next day 286 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:04,460 they called back and they spoke to Betty 287 00:15:09,100 --> 00:15:06,530 and Barney at length about their 288 00:15:14,650 --> 00:15:09,110 sighting so the report was actually 289 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:14,660 filed on September 21st 1961 Wow and at 290 00:15:20,770 --> 00:15:17,450 that time so the military the Air Force 291 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:20,780 was involved yes this Bluebook active 292 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:22,970 yes it was Project Blue Book there was a 293 00:15:26,530 --> 00:15:25,730 Project Blue Book record report that's 294 00:15:30,070 --> 00:15:26,540 what that was 295 00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:30,080 yes hahaha and was there at any time 296 00:15:36,130 --> 00:15:32,240 anyone trying to suppress any 297 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:36,140 information or was it allowed to come 298 00:15:40,540 --> 00:15:38,450 out in the public well it's very 299 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:40,550 interesting it didn't come out in the 300 00:15:46,510 --> 00:15:42,770 public for many many years really dr. 301 00:15:49,390 --> 00:15:46,520 James McDonald you might be familiar 302 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:49,400 with him he was the former co-chairman 303 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:52,250 had been chairman of the media 304 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:55,250 Department of meteorology at the 305 00:16:01,160 --> 00:15:57,810 University of Arizona he 306 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:01,170 and he was an avid researcher probably 307 00:16:09,230 --> 00:16:04,890 the best UFO researcher that ever lived 308 00:16:12,019 --> 00:16:09,240 incredibly bright man and he found it in 309 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:12,029 the Blue Book files he found that report 310 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:14,610 and gave that report to Betty it was a 311 00:16:20,810 --> 00:16:17,310 very interesting thing about that report 312 00:16:22,510 --> 00:16:20,820 and that is in the very first 313 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:22,520 handwritten report 314 00:16:29,870 --> 00:16:26,810 air intercept radar was checked off 315 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:29,880 leaving me to believe that they might 316 00:16:37,070 --> 00:16:33,330 have scrambled a jet after this craft 317 00:16:40,519 --> 00:16:37,080 there was a reat radar report that it 318 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:40,529 appeared on radar at 2:14 a.m. and that 319 00:16:44,660 --> 00:16:42,570 would have been about the time that 320 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:44,670 Betty and Barney were released from 321 00:16:49,550 --> 00:16:47,490 capture so all of this is really 322 00:16:54,790 --> 00:16:49,560 intriguing to me but there was a 323 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:54,800 cover-up they said that it was due to an 324 00:17:00,460 --> 00:16:57,170 atmospheric inversion temperature 325 00:17:03,170 --> 00:17:00,470 inversion ground clutter swamp gas it's 326 00:17:07,220 --> 00:17:03,180 everything but swamp gas you know the 327 00:17:10,490 --> 00:17:07,230 the planet Jupiter an advertising light 328 00:17:14,360 --> 00:17:10,500 you name it it was there list after list 329 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:14,370 in the end they really could not 330 00:17:21,559 --> 00:17:17,490 identify what it was they also initially 331 00:17:23,449 --> 00:17:21,569 stated that there was a strong inversion 332 00:17:27,169 --> 00:17:23,459 in the Lincoln Lincoln New Hampshire 333 00:17:29,570 --> 00:17:27,179 region that night and so I was very 334 00:17:33,260 --> 00:17:29,580 curious about this I wanted to know if 335 00:17:37,130 --> 00:17:33,270 it was a cover-up or if it was true so I 336 00:17:39,770 --> 00:17:37,140 contacted the chief meteorologist at the 337 00:17:43,310 --> 00:17:39,780 Mount Washington weather station and I 338 00:17:46,820 --> 00:17:43,320 also contacted a chief meteorologist for 339 00:17:50,930 --> 00:17:46,830 a television station and asked both of 340 00:17:54,350 --> 00:17:50,940 them to look into their archival records 341 00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:54,360 and to just let me know what the weather 342 00:18:00,560 --> 00:17:57,840 was like that night I found that there 343 00:18:02,850 --> 00:18:00,570 was no inversion that night in the 344 00:18:06,890 --> 00:18:02,860 Lincoln New Hampshire area 345 00:18:09,510 --> 00:18:06,900 on the television meteorologist who 346 00:18:12,450 --> 00:18:09,520 looked in the archives at the US Weather 347 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:12,460 Service stated that in fact the 348 00:18:16,530 --> 00:18:15,010 conditions were just the opposite for an 349 00:18:19,289 --> 00:18:16,540 inversion Wow 350 00:18:22,669 --> 00:18:19,299 well is it that something yes would you 351 00:18:26,250 --> 00:18:22,679 say that there's any other rumors or 352 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:26,260 misinformation out there that should be 353 00:18:30,450 --> 00:18:28,090 cleared up I mean things that you hear 354 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:30,460 over and over again that are perhaps not 355 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:32,850 right oh absolutely 356 00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:36,610 one of those things is I hear over and 357 00:18:42,510 --> 00:18:40,720 over again that Betty and Barney merely 358 00:18:47,030 --> 00:18:42,520 saw a light in the sky 359 00:18:53,850 --> 00:18:47,040 I hear that Betty was an added lifelong 360 00:18:56,190 --> 00:18:53,860 UFO advocate or enthusiast enthusiast 361 00:19:00,960 --> 00:18:56,200 that's that's the best word for it that 362 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:00,970 that is totally false I read over and 363 00:19:05,370 --> 00:19:03,370 over again that they didn't even 364 00:19:08,370 --> 00:19:05,380 entertain the idea that it might have 365 00:19:12,210 --> 00:19:08,380 been a UFO until Betty had a series of 366 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:12,220 dreams ten days later and that all of 367 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:14,410 the information came out of of those 368 00:19:19,140 --> 00:19:16,090 dreams it's totally false 369 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:19,150 mm-hmm I have the records I just told 370 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:21,450 you about how the reports that they made 371 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:26,049 immediately on September 26 1961 she sat 372 00:19:31,370 --> 00:19:28,330 down after reading her first book on 373 00:19:33,390 --> 00:19:31,380 UFOs and wrote a letter to the National 374 00:19:36,419 --> 00:19:33,400 investigations committee on aerial 375 00:19:39,330 --> 00:19:36,429 phenomena and in that letter she gave 376 00:19:42,270 --> 00:19:39,340 detailed information about what she and 377 00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:42,280 Barney observed this was even before she 378 00:19:49,140 --> 00:19:45,910 beat had her first dream well so this 379 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:49,150 story didn't come out for several years 380 00:19:56,250 --> 00:19:51,809 what was it like for you at that time 381 00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:56,260 knowingness well I had to maintain 382 00:20:02,669 --> 00:20:00,400 secrecy and I knew rely yeah in Betty 383 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:02,679 and Barney were prominent people in the 384 00:20:06,780 --> 00:20:04,210 state of New Hampshire she was the 385 00:20:08,530 --> 00:20:06,790 social worker for the state he was very 386 00:20:10,990 --> 00:20:08,540 active in 387 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:11,000 rights in the state he was legal redress 388 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:12,910 to the n-double-a-cp 389 00:20:18,430 --> 00:20:16,850 he also and was appointed by the 390 00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:18,440 governor of the state of New Hampshire 391 00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:20,240 to serve on the US Civil Rights 392 00:20:28,990 --> 00:20:24,160 Committee state Advisory Committee he 393 00:20:31,900 --> 00:20:29,000 was Rockingham County community action 394 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:31,910 programs chairman of the board of 395 00:20:38,380 --> 00:20:35,690 directors they had worked on literacy 396 00:20:42,580 --> 00:20:38,390 program in the state for voters rights 397 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:42,590 so the last thing they possibly could 398 00:20:49,780 --> 00:20:45,530 have wanted was to be associated with a 399 00:20:51,100 --> 00:20:49,790 UFO abduction or close encounter you 400 00:20:55,870 --> 00:20:51,110 know it would have destroyed their 401 00:20:59,320 --> 00:20:55,880 credibility and when that became public 402 00:21:01,360 --> 00:20:59,330 as a violation of confidentiality it was 403 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:01,370 very upsetting to Betty and Barney and 404 00:21:07,390 --> 00:21:05,090 the family we met as a family and and we 405 00:21:12,220 --> 00:21:07,400 discussed what they should do next how 406 00:21:15,340 --> 00:21:12,230 did it change their lives it really was 407 00:21:18,010 --> 00:21:15,350 very distracting for both of them in a 408 00:21:21,250 --> 00:21:18,020 sense because they were so committed to 409 00:21:24,010 --> 00:21:21,260 improving the conditions of people in 410 00:21:27,340 --> 00:21:24,020 the United States and in in the state of 411 00:21:31,810 --> 00:21:27,350 New Hampshire and so it was very 412 00:21:34,510 --> 00:21:31,820 distracting they did a lot of radio and 413 00:21:36,250 --> 00:21:34,520 television programs then the book with 414 00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:36,260 the interrupted journey was published 415 00:21:46,270 --> 00:21:42,110 and they had to promote that Barney was 416 00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:46,280 very driven in the area of civil rights 417 00:21:51,820 --> 00:21:49,280 and politics and I think if he had lived 418 00:21:54,460 --> 00:21:51,830 he probably would have gone into 419 00:21:58,750 --> 00:21:54,470 politics all of that was pretty much 420 00:22:01,470 --> 00:21:58,760 demolished by the announcement that they 421 00:22:07,150 --> 00:22:01,480 had been abducted by aliens mm-hmm and 422 00:22:09,970 --> 00:22:07,160 it did refocus them and and drove their 423 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:09,980 life in a different direction 424 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:12,530 with where in a sense they became 425 00:22:19,570 --> 00:22:15,770 celebrities and appeared on television 426 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:19,580 shows talking about their experience 427 00:22:25,570 --> 00:22:21,410 mm-hmm it also read ooh 428 00:22:27,550 --> 00:22:25,580 to their credibility right right before 429 00:22:30,820 --> 00:22:27,560 I get into some other questions here one 430 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:30,830 last question on this how accurate the 431 00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:33,410 movie in 1975 made for TV with James 432 00:22:40,330 --> 00:22:36,800 Earl Jones I thought he did a very good 433 00:22:44,890 --> 00:22:40,340 job is a great actor how accurate would 434 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:44,900 you say that movie was the major problem 435 00:22:49,420 --> 00:22:47,510 I have with that movie is it leaves the 436 00:22:52,750 --> 00:22:49,430 viewer to believe that Betty and Barney 437 00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:52,760 had almost no conscious recall of their 438 00:22:58,510 --> 00:22:56,000 experience when in fact the documented 439 00:23:01,000 --> 00:22:58,520 information that they provided in the 440 00:23:04,660 --> 00:23:01,010 very beginning clearly demonstrates that 441 00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:04,670 they consciously recalled everything 442 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:08,510 except for the abduction itself so I 443 00:23:14,050 --> 00:23:11,290 have a problem there I thought it was a 444 00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:14,060 fantastic movie I thought that James 445 00:23:20,650 --> 00:23:17,120 Earl Jones captured Barney's personality 446 00:23:23,770 --> 00:23:20,660 very well but Estelle Parsons really 447 00:23:26,770 --> 00:23:23,780 didn't capture Betty's personality betty 448 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:26,780 was an assertive person she had a very 449 00:23:32,860 --> 00:23:30,050 good sense of self-esteem she was very 450 00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:32,870 intelligent and I didn't care to see 451 00:23:37,330 --> 00:23:35,840 Betty portrayed as a little helpless 60s 452 00:23:39,730 --> 00:23:37,340 woman uh-huh 453 00:23:42,820 --> 00:23:39,740 now there's when I spoke with with 454 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:42,830 Stanton Friedman a while back he said 455 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:45,410 that there's a show coming up a movie 456 00:23:51,340 --> 00:23:48,890 coming up yes book captured the Betty 457 00:23:54,940 --> 00:23:51,350 and Barney Hill UFO experience has been 458 00:23:57,790 --> 00:23:54,950 optioned a high price table in Hollywood 459 00:24:01,180 --> 00:23:57,800 and he is currently working on the 460 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:01,190 screenplay for will be on our book any 461 00:24:07,690 --> 00:24:03,890 idea if that's going to come out at some 462 00:24:09,910 --> 00:24:07,700 point any projection of date no no 463 00:24:13,660 --> 00:24:09,920 there's no projection of date at this 464 00:24:15,820 --> 00:24:13,670 point it's it's a fairly long process 465 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:15,830 and after the screenplay is written and 466 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:19,730 then it has to be sold in Hollywood for 467 00:24:24,460 --> 00:24:23,330 a movie to be made so I'm keeping my 468 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:24,470 fingers crossed 469 00:24:29,589 --> 00:24:26,570 yeah I wonder who'll play the parts this 470 00:24:31,899 --> 00:24:29,599 time but I wonder 471 00:24:35,349 --> 00:24:31,909 Denzel Washington maybe you never know 472 00:24:38,979 --> 00:24:35,359 never know let's talk about some other 473 00:24:41,619 --> 00:24:38,989 landmark abduction cases sure now Travis 474 00:24:44,259 --> 00:24:41,629 Walton you you know Travis yes I know 475 00:24:47,019 --> 00:24:44,269 Travis yeah and have you spoke to him at 476 00:24:48,930 --> 00:24:47,029 great length yes I have Wow can you talk 477 00:24:51,449 --> 00:24:48,940 a little bit about that and any other 478 00:24:56,499 --> 00:24:51,459 landmark cases that you would consider 479 00:24:59,789 --> 00:24:56,509 Travis is a very credible man there has 480 00:25:04,899 --> 00:24:59,799 been a lot of debunked information 481 00:25:08,049 --> 00:25:04,909 designed to destroy his case but he is 482 00:25:11,589 --> 00:25:08,059 an upstanding man in his community he's 483 00:25:16,029 --> 00:25:11,599 credible and that case is so impressive 484 00:25:18,729 --> 00:25:16,039 because he was actually missing in the 485 00:25:22,749 --> 00:25:18,739 White Mountains of Arizona in November 486 00:25:25,180 --> 00:25:22,759 of the year and he would have died from 487 00:25:28,869 --> 00:25:25,190 hypothermia if he had actually been on 488 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:28,879 the ground I've also spoken to Steve 489 00:25:37,690 --> 00:25:33,289 Pierce who was with Travis one of the 490 00:25:40,749 --> 00:25:37,700 members of that logging crew and his he 491 00:25:43,149 --> 00:25:40,759 expressed his concern to me that they 492 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:43,159 were actually under suspicion for murder 493 00:25:48,339 --> 00:25:45,049 right and 494 00:25:53,979 --> 00:25:48,349 it was very upsetting to them they hoped 495 00:25:58,810 --> 00:25:53,989 that Travis would be found it was they 496 00:26:03,009 --> 00:25:58,820 ended up taking lie-detector tests all 497 00:26:05,109 --> 00:26:03,019 of them that set for one passed the lie 498 00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:05,119 detector test and the one who didn't 499 00:26:12,849 --> 00:26:08,769 pass didn't fail either it was equivocal 500 00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:12,859 because he became angry he was afraid 501 00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:15,200 that he had been in trouble with the law 502 00:26:23,139 --> 00:26:18,559 before and and he had an attitude about 503 00:26:25,959 --> 00:26:23,149 the police anyway and so he simply 504 00:26:28,239 --> 00:26:25,969 decided not to continue with the 505 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:28,249 lie-detector test it wasn't that he was 506 00:26:35,709 --> 00:26:30,849 lying it said he he didn't continue 507 00:26:39,879 --> 00:26:35,719 eventually all of them retook the ones 508 00:26:40,669 --> 00:26:39,889 that work with uncle retook the delight 509 00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:40,679 of Techdirt 510 00:26:48,350 --> 00:26:45,600 and past so that's pretty good evidence 511 00:26:52,129 --> 00:26:48,360 you might say that with one lie-detector 512 00:26:54,889 --> 00:26:52,139 desk it can't be used in a court of law 513 00:26:57,799 --> 00:26:54,899 it really isn't valid but when you get 514 00:27:00,859 --> 00:26:57,809 that many individuals taking 515 00:27:03,289 --> 00:27:00,869 lie-detector tests and they all pass I 516 00:27:06,739 --> 00:27:03,299 think that it's a pretty good indication 517 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:06,749 that they're telling the truth mm-hmm so 518 00:27:12,919 --> 00:27:08,730 what what are some other which you would 519 00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:12,929 consider landmark abductions well there 520 00:27:19,609 --> 00:27:16,200 was certainly the Charlie Hickson Calvin 521 00:27:24,529 --> 00:27:19,619 Parker case and Pascagoula Mississippi I 522 00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:24,539 believe that was 1973 two men fishing on 523 00:27:33,499 --> 00:27:30,480 the river and a UFO came in and was 524 00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:33,509 hovering just above them took them 525 00:27:38,659 --> 00:27:35,580 floated them on to the craft and give 526 00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:38,669 that gave them physical examinations and 527 00:27:43,489 --> 00:27:41,190 then they were released the important 528 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:43,499 thing about this is that Charlie and 529 00:27:51,019 --> 00:27:45,570 Calvin were taken to the police station 530 00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:51,029 after this and placed in a room they 531 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:53,220 didn't know there was a tape recorder in 532 00:27:58,909 --> 00:27:56,129 the room recording their statements they 533 00:28:02,180 --> 00:27:58,919 got dad on their knees and prayed they 534 00:28:04,639 --> 00:28:02,190 were so upset and frightened by the 535 00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:04,649 experience that they had these men were 536 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:05,460 not lying 537 00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:12,570 his case there was a case of three women 538 00:28:18,499 --> 00:28:16,440 in Casey County Kentucky this happened 539 00:28:21,710 --> 00:28:18,509 only a couple of months after Travis 540 00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:21,720 Waltons abduction Elaine Thomas Lewis 541 00:28:28,369 --> 00:28:25,200 Smith and Moana Stafford and they had 542 00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:28,379 been out to dinner and were driving home 543 00:28:36,919 --> 00:28:32,480 who's about 10 o'clock at night 10:30 544 00:28:38,779 --> 00:28:36,929 driving home and craft approached them 545 00:28:42,409 --> 00:28:38,789 very rapidly at first they thought it 546 00:28:43,009 --> 00:28:42,419 was a plane in freefall crashing to the 547 00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:43,019 ground 548 00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:46,679 but it stopped right above their car and 549 00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:50,399 then it moved over and traveled next to 550 00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:52,289 their cars they were driving down the 551 00:28:56,180 --> 00:28:52,710 high 552 00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,190 it there was projected a light inside 553 00:29:04,970 --> 00:28:58,799 their car that caused them to become hot 554 00:29:07,399 --> 00:29:04,980 and tingling and then their car started 555 00:29:09,860 --> 00:29:07,409 to move 80 miles an hour 556 00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,870 forward they couldn't control it they 557 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:12,000 tried to put on the brake they couldn't 558 00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:14,250 control the vehicle and then all of a 559 00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:16,169 sudden it stopped and it was being 560 00:29:22,639 --> 00:29:18,600 pulled backward and it seemed to be 561 00:29:26,180 --> 00:29:22,649 bumping along something the next thing 562 00:29:28,940 --> 00:29:26,190 they knew they were several miles down 563 00:29:31,940 --> 00:29:28,950 the road coming into their home town 564 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:31,950 they had conscious recall of observing 565 00:29:38,419 --> 00:29:35,130 this craft it was also observed by other 566 00:29:41,060 --> 00:29:38,429 witnesses who said that they observed it 567 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:41,070 as well the women eventually underwent 568 00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:43,890 hypnosis they all recalled having 569 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:46,320 physical examinations onboard the craft 570 00:29:52,820 --> 00:29:50,010 Wow very another important case in my 571 00:29:57,019 --> 00:29:52,830 estimation between the time when Betty 572 00:29:59,210 --> 00:29:57,029 and Barney were abducted and the news of 573 00:30:02,240 --> 00:29:59,220 that was suppressed had any other 574 00:30:04,909 --> 00:30:02,250 abduction happened before that was 575 00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:04,919 released not that I'm aware of 576 00:30:11,389 --> 00:30:08,580 of course there there might be people 577 00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:11,399 today who are remembering abduction 578 00:30:18,980 --> 00:30:15,110 experiences in that time frame but 579 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:18,990 people today tend not to speak publicly 580 00:30:24,380 --> 00:30:21,570 about their abduction experiences 581 00:30:26,269 --> 00:30:24,390 because they have been attacked 582 00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,279 they've lost their jobs than lost their 583 00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:28,799 credibility it just isn't a very good 584 00:30:33,649 --> 00:30:31,020 thing to do so yes there are probably 585 00:30:36,430 --> 00:30:33,659 others in that time frame and people 586 00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:36,440 come forward and talk to me 587 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:39,360 confidentially quite often really but 588 00:30:46,639 --> 00:30:43,010 the next publicly known case occurred in 589 00:30:51,380 --> 00:30:46,649 1969 at the buff ledge girls camp in 590 00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:51,390 upstate Vermont it was a girl swimming 591 00:30:57,519 --> 00:30:54,720 camp and the campers had gone to a swim 592 00:31:00,580 --> 00:30:57,529 meet that night there were two 593 00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:00,590 counselors that were left at the camp 594 00:31:07,660 --> 00:31:04,310 there was the water skiing instructor Oh 595 00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,670 woman who went to Smith College and was 596 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:09,200 working there in the summer and then 597 00:31:14,170 --> 00:31:11,450 there was the 16 year old boy who 598 00:31:16,660 --> 00:31:14,180 cleaned up the equipment along the edge 599 00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:16,670 of the lake it was the first time that 600 00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:18,710 they had actually had an opportunity to 601 00:31:24,580 --> 00:31:20,960 sit down and talk to each other and they 602 00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,590 were out on the dock it was dusk and as 603 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:26,480 they were looking out at the water on 604 00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:30,170 Lake Champlain they saw what appeared to 605 00:31:35,620 --> 00:31:33,110 be what we think of as a mother ship it 606 00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:35,630 was this huge cigar like craft and out 607 00:31:42,670 --> 00:31:39,700 of that third flue three discs they 608 00:31:45,910 --> 00:31:42,680 zigzagged around a little bit and then 609 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:45,920 two flew in one direction and one came 610 00:31:52,690 --> 00:31:49,130 toward them the one that came toward 611 00:31:56,110 --> 00:31:52,700 them came above the water and then it 612 00:31:59,740 --> 00:31:56,120 ascended vertically and then descended 613 00:32:02,620 --> 00:31:59,750 and plunged into the lake then it moved 614 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:02,630 came out and moved along toward them and 615 00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:06,490 stopped about 15 feet away from them 616 00:32:12,910 --> 00:32:09,440 they were just awestruck as they were 617 00:32:16,060 --> 00:32:12,920 looking at this craft the 16 year old 618 00:32:19,150 --> 00:32:16,070 boy remembered observing nonhumans in 619 00:32:22,510 --> 00:32:19,160 the craft who seemed to send him the 620 00:32:23,290 --> 00:32:22,520 telepathic message that he would not be 621 00:32:26,290 --> 00:32:23,300 harmed 622 00:32:30,340 --> 00:32:26,300 that they would be okay and then the 623 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:30,350 craft went a meet just above the heads 624 00:32:34,540 --> 00:32:32,690 of the young man and the young woman the 625 00:32:35,050 --> 00:32:34,550 young woman seemed to be in a state of 626 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:35,060 shock 627 00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:38,410 he pushed both of them down to the deck 628 00:32:46,180 --> 00:32:42,590 on this dock and the next thing they 629 00:32:48,580 --> 00:32:46,190 knew and they heard voices the girls had 630 00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:48,590 returned from the swim meet and the 631 00:32:54,730 --> 00:32:51,980 craft was leaving and they could see it 632 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:54,740 flying away in the distance so there was 633 00:32:59,470 --> 00:32:57,170 a time lapse that another time lapse 634 00:33:01,960 --> 00:32:59,480 it's usually about an hour and a half 635 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:01,970 two hours of missing time that people 636 00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:05,690 experience right right I watched a show 637 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:09,710 on UFOs in abductions and there was a 638 00:33:15,010 --> 00:33:12,130 psychiatrist saying that the 639 00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:15,020 hypnotherapist was leading people into 640 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:17,820 believing about these abductions 641 00:33:23,779 --> 00:33:20,970 and what do you say to that speculation 642 00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,789 what I can say about that is look at the 643 00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:25,519 case of Betty and Barney Hill 644 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:28,169 dr. Benjamin Simon was one of the 645 00:33:34,190 --> 00:33:30,330 leading psychiatrists in this country he 646 00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:34,200 knew nothing about UFOs he did not 647 00:33:40,369 --> 00:33:37,710 believe that Betty and Barney could 648 00:33:44,269 --> 00:33:40,379 possibly have encountered alien beings 649 00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:44,279 from another planet in our star system 650 00:33:50,779 --> 00:33:47,340 and he attempted to lead Betty and 651 00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:50,789 Barney away from that idea he hypnotized 652 00:33:56,299 --> 00:33:53,129 both of them separately for a period of 653 00:33:58,239 --> 00:33:56,309 six months he imposed amnesia at the end 654 00:34:00,680 --> 00:33:58,249 of each session so they couldn't 655 00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:00,690 converse with each other they couldn't 656 00:34:07,249 --> 00:34:03,710 contaminate each other's information and 657 00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:07,259 they told the same story and it was 658 00:34:15,049 --> 00:34:10,079 different in many respects from the 659 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:15,059 story that Betty told about in her dream 660 00:34:21,859 --> 00:34:20,010 account of the UFO abduction and her 661 00:34:26,649 --> 00:34:21,869 abduction was different from her dreams 662 00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:26,659 so is Barney's so here is an example of 663 00:34:32,589 --> 00:34:30,000 two individuals who are led away from 664 00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:32,599 the idea they had no prior knowledge 665 00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:35,460 they were the first they had no prior 666 00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:37,500 knowledge of what an abduction was like 667 00:34:44,619 --> 00:34:39,899 you can say that well yes if someone 668 00:34:47,450 --> 00:34:44,629 today really wanted to be abducted and 669 00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:47,460 they had read everything they could 670 00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:50,250 possibly read on the subject so they had 671 00:34:55,940 --> 00:34:52,950 detailed information about what it was 672 00:34:59,210 --> 00:34:55,950 like and if they had a hypnotherapist 673 00:35:01,809 --> 00:34:59,220 who was very invested in the idea that 674 00:35:05,809 --> 00:35:01,819 this individual did have an abduction 675 00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:05,819 it's possible that you could confabulate 676 00:35:12,289 --> 00:35:08,640 that sort of thing but that certainly 677 00:35:15,260 --> 00:35:12,299 would be unprofessional and people who 678 00:35:21,099 --> 00:35:15,270 work with abduction experiencers on a 679 00:35:25,099 --> 00:35:21,109 regular basis will not work with anyone 680 00:35:27,549 --> 00:35:25,109 generally unless there is convincing 681 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:27,559 evidence that they actually have been 682 00:35:31,170 --> 00:35:29,050 abducted 683 00:35:33,540 --> 00:35:31,180 and that that person hasn't read 684 00:35:35,070 --> 00:35:33,550 everything there is to read about 685 00:35:38,130 --> 00:35:35,080 abduction mmm 686 00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:38,140 so there are safeguards in place right 687 00:35:41,340 --> 00:35:40,030 right I know I said I wasn't gonna ask 688 00:35:44,910 --> 00:35:41,350 you any more questions about Betty and 689 00:35:48,810 --> 00:35:44,920 Barney but I just wanted to ask you one 690 00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:48,820 more thing what was it like listening to 691 00:35:57,780 --> 00:35:54,160 all of those recordings well I can tell 692 00:36:03,360 --> 00:35:57,790 you that initially I think I felt 693 00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:03,370 traumatized by it as I listened to them 694 00:36:11,970 --> 00:36:07,630 reappear Ian Singh the trauma of being 695 00:36:15,930 --> 00:36:11,980 taken by nonhumans so it was extremely 696 00:36:18,570 --> 00:36:15,940 difficult for me at first and I listened 697 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:18,580 to those tapes dozens of times now in 698 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:21,730 fact I i transcribed every statement 699 00:36:30,090 --> 00:36:26,050 they made for my book captured the Betty 700 00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:30,100 and Barney Hill UFO experience so now I 701 00:36:38,220 --> 00:36:34,320 can look at it without being distressed 702 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:38,230 but it was difficult at first right I'm 703 00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:40,930 sure it was I'm sure was so what's what 704 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:44,470 are you involved in these days well I am 705 00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:48,610 an independent abduction investigator 706 00:36:55,890 --> 00:36:51,340 and researcher I'm working on another 707 00:36:58,740 --> 00:36:55,900 book on with Denise donor who is Florida 708 00:37:01,170 --> 00:36:58,750 muffinz chief investigator on two very 709 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:01,180 important abduction cases and we're 710 00:37:07,290 --> 00:37:02,890 hoping that that will be published next 711 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:07,300 year we also are working on a research 712 00:37:14,540 --> 00:37:11,010 study on commonalities among abduction 713 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:14,550 experiencers and we have three 714 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:17,290 questionnaires they're posted on my 715 00:37:27,210 --> 00:37:22,330 website at Kathleen - or - Mardon ma 716 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:27,220 rden comm one is a forty five question 717 00:37:33,180 --> 00:37:30,010 multiple choice question eros it's 718 00:37:35,850 --> 00:37:33,190 pretty general we're attempting to draw 719 00:37:36,580 --> 00:37:35,860 commonalities or identify little known 720 00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:36,590 common al 721 00:37:43,210 --> 00:37:39,680 among abduction experiencers then there 722 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:43,220 is a 16 question questionnaire that is 723 00:37:50,340 --> 00:37:47,450 more open-ended fill in type on ET 724 00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:50,350 technology observed on the craft and 725 00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:54,680 then there is one that's about 20 726 00:37:59,800 --> 00:37:57,440 questions and it's for people who have 727 00:38:02,410 --> 00:37:59,810 never had an abduction experience we 728 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:02,420 want to have a control group here so 729 00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:04,850 we'll know that these commonalities are 730 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:07,760 not common across the general population 731 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:13,250 Wow and it seems like there's like 732 00:38:18,670 --> 00:38:15,650 hundreds and hundreds of cases is that 733 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:18,680 or even is it now so thousands of cases 734 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:20,810 across the world around the world and 735 00:38:27,220 --> 00:38:23,530 people are reporting the same 736 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:27,230 information even though much of it isn't 737 00:38:32,590 --> 00:38:29,810 publicized those of us who work within 738 00:38:38,110 --> 00:38:32,600 the field keeping a certain information 739 00:38:40,510 --> 00:38:38,120 secret hmm Wow now have you ever have 740 00:38:42,010 --> 00:38:40,520 you ever had this happen where you start 741 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:42,020 interviewing someone and realize that 742 00:38:47,650 --> 00:38:44,930 they're full of baloney and you walk 743 00:38:51,580 --> 00:38:47,660 away has that happened well I try to be 744 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:51,590 polite uh-huh but I do interview many 745 00:38:58,210 --> 00:38:54,650 many people and sometimes it becomes 746 00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,220 apparent to me that the person is 747 00:39:03,790 --> 00:39:00,560 probably someone who would like very 748 00:39:07,210 --> 00:39:03,800 much to have had an experience and that 749 00:39:10,030 --> 00:39:07,220 perhaps their creative imagination is 750 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:10,040 running away with them but for the most 751 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:12,410 part that's not the case most people 752 00:39:17,290 --> 00:39:15,530 come to me very very concerned they've 753 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:17,300 had a close encounter they've had 754 00:39:25,930 --> 00:39:21,170 missing time and after that initial 755 00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:25,940 close encounter they might be taken from 756 00:39:30,970 --> 00:39:28,670 their homes mm-hmm so it generally 757 00:39:33,780 --> 00:39:30,980 happens the first time is from an 758 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:33,790 external environment such as the car 759 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:36,890 camping fishing hunting whatever 760 00:39:41,330 --> 00:39:39,450 yeah then after that is 761 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:41,340 home what about people that are 762 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:43,650 repeatedly abducted do you believe 763 00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:47,210 that's a real happening oh absolutely 764 00:39:52,580 --> 00:39:50,190 absolutely why would you be a long-term 765 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:52,590 study the the thing that comes to 766 00:39:58,880 --> 00:39:55,530 question in mine for me is you picture 767 00:40:02,720 --> 00:39:58,890 like say the aliens are coming from 768 00:40:04,850 --> 00:40:02,730 another star system to here and they 769 00:40:06,770 --> 00:40:04,860 would go to the exact same place and 770 00:40:08,660 --> 00:40:06,780 abduct the same person huh 771 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:08,670 I mean I'm just trying to figure well 772 00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:11,490 let's let's think about this for a 773 00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,700 minute and and let's think that they're 774 00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,800 probably not flying back and forth from 775 00:40:21,620 --> 00:40:18,720 their star system every time they come 776 00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:21,630 to abduct somebody they're probably in 777 00:40:35,780 --> 00:40:33,440 outside Earth's atmosphere and they're 778 00:40:39,620 --> 00:40:35,790 probably living there in very large 779 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:39,630 numbers they might even be on one of our 780 00:40:49,220 --> 00:40:46,050 planets in a device where they make all 781 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:49,230 of the energy they need they can sustain 782 00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:53,730 life in that kind of environment and and 783 00:40:58,820 --> 00:40:56,630 perhaps go back and forth between our 784 00:41:03,320 --> 00:40:58,830 planet and their planet 785 00:41:05,210 --> 00:41:03,330 very rarely or infrequently so let's 786 00:41:07,850 --> 00:41:05,220 think about that and then they just have 787 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:07,860 their smaller models and they bring 788 00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:09,690 those smaller models down when they're 789 00:41:16,220 --> 00:41:12,300 going to abduct a person now we know 790 00:41:18,740 --> 00:41:16,230 that they are inserting implants into 791 00:41:21,110 --> 00:41:18,750 abduction experiencers that happens over 792 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:21,120 and over again and it seems that they 793 00:41:27,110 --> 00:41:24,090 use these as tracking devices so that 794 00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,120 they can take the same person over and 795 00:41:31,790 --> 00:41:29,520 over again throughout their lifetime if 796 00:41:33,110 --> 00:41:31,800 you were to speculate why would you 797 00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:33,120 think that they would want to see the 798 00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:36,480 same person twice well for one thing we 799 00:41:44,180 --> 00:41:41,040 know that thousands of individuals have 800 00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:44,190 stated that they're being used for the 801 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:47,520 extraction of reproductive material from 802 00:41:53,470 --> 00:41:49,010 over and 803 00:41:56,620 --> 00:41:53,480 sperm and so they might want to take the 804 00:42:01,830 --> 00:41:56,630 same individuals for that purpose to 805 00:42:06,370 --> 00:42:01,840 grow fetuses on board their craft in 806 00:42:12,460 --> 00:42:06,380 tubes or cylinders they take tissue 807 00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,470 samples from individuals and they I'm 808 00:42:17,710 --> 00:42:14,240 not sure what they're using these tissue 809 00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:17,720 samples for but people have sort of 810 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:22,910 punch biopsy marks that and and wake up 811 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:25,970 with patterned bruises and pattern 812 00:42:31,870 --> 00:42:29,570 needle marks on their bodies I can't 813 00:42:35,980 --> 00:42:31,880 tell you why they're taking the same 814 00:42:39,370 --> 00:42:35,990 individuals over and over again but it's 815 00:42:41,770 --> 00:42:39,380 something that they are doing they seem 816 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:41,780 to be following genetic lines in many 817 00:42:48,970 --> 00:42:45,050 cases where they will take the say the 818 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:48,980 mother move along the maternal genetic 819 00:42:54,090 --> 00:42:50,930 line take the daughter take the 820 00:42:56,830 --> 00:42:54,100 granddaughter and so on and so forth so 821 00:42:59,530 --> 00:42:56,840 they they appear to be doing a 822 00:43:02,710 --> 00:42:59,540 longitudinal genetic study maybe 823 00:43:05,350 --> 00:43:02,720 biological study maybe sociological 824 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:05,360 study now what's the oldest person 825 00:43:13,690 --> 00:43:08,330 you've ever heard of being abducted in 826 00:43:17,610 --> 00:43:13,700 my study I believe I had a person who is 827 00:43:21,250 --> 00:43:17,620 very close to 80 years old really who 828 00:43:23,260 --> 00:43:21,260 has been abducted as people grow older 829 00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,270 they tend not to be abducted as 830 00:43:28,810 --> 00:43:26,480 frequently this 80 year old was abducted 831 00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:28,820 much earlier in her life and visited 832 00:43:34,030 --> 00:43:31,760 from time to time now you hear a lot of 833 00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:34,040 these people say that they floated right 834 00:43:40,660 --> 00:43:36,710 through the wall and like solid objects 835 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:40,670 yes and there's a lot of people saying 836 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:42,890 that seems impossible doesn't it it does 837 00:43:46,779 --> 00:43:46,010 I don't think does I had to question 838 00:43:50,919 --> 00:43:46,789 that myself 839 00:43:53,049 --> 00:43:50,929 often so I interviewed a theoretical 840 00:43:56,890 --> 00:43:53,059 physicist and and I asked him if that 841 00:43:59,949 --> 00:43:56,900 was possible and he said that yes it is 842 00:44:01,959 --> 00:43:59,959 in fact we have the math to do that and 843 00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:01,969 we've done it on a very small scale in a 844 00:44:09,089 --> 00:44:04,880 laboratory and what the ETS would have 845 00:44:12,569 --> 00:44:09,099 to do is let's say for example their 846 00:44:15,909 --> 00:44:12,579 vibrational frequency to a certain rate 847 00:44:16,959 --> 00:44:15,919 okay and let's say maybe it was higher 848 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:16,969 than our own 849 00:44:23,380 --> 00:44:20,410 then in order to move us through a solid 850 00:44:25,689 --> 00:44:23,390 structure they would have to change the 851 00:44:29,289 --> 00:44:25,699 vibrational frequency of the solid 852 00:44:31,959 --> 00:44:29,299 structure to match their own and also 853 00:44:33,939 --> 00:44:31,969 the humans vibrational frequency to 854 00:44:36,219 --> 00:44:33,949 match their own wouldn't it be easy to 855 00:44:39,939 --> 00:44:36,229 open the window it would be and when 856 00:44:42,370 --> 00:44:39,949 that occurs then you can move the solid 857 00:44:46,059 --> 00:44:42,380 matter through solid matter now why 858 00:44:49,689 --> 00:44:46,069 would they do that and what impact does 859 00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:49,699 it have on the human body I think that 860 00:44:54,370 --> 00:44:52,609 it's probably less risky to do it that 861 00:44:57,279 --> 00:44:54,380 way than to actually go into people's 862 00:45:00,399 --> 00:44:57,289 homes to land their craft on the ground 863 00:45:03,819 --> 00:45:00,409 the way they did years ago and and walk 864 00:45:06,549 --> 00:45:03,829 people out to the craft the consequence 865 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:06,559 it seems of what they're doing possibly 866 00:45:13,779 --> 00:45:10,249 is they're making people ill and I can 867 00:45:17,949 --> 00:45:13,789 tell you that on the study that Denise 868 00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:17,959 stoner and I are doing nearly forty 869 00:45:23,229 --> 00:45:20,689 percent of the abduction experiencers 870 00:45:25,209 --> 00:45:23,239 have a formal diagnosis of chronic 871 00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:25,219 fatigue and immune dysfunction syndrome 872 00:45:32,829 --> 00:45:30,049 a chronic mononucleosis less than 1% of 873 00:45:35,620 --> 00:45:32,839 the general population have been 874 00:45:38,799 --> 00:45:35,630 diagnosed with that same disease Wow 875 00:45:42,459 --> 00:45:38,809 that's very significant Wow you would 876 00:45:45,309 --> 00:45:42,469 think that it wouldn't be just one 877 00:45:48,909 --> 00:45:45,319 species of aliens abducting people but 878 00:45:52,479 --> 00:45:48,919 perhaps from other other star systems 879 00:45:54,989 --> 00:45:52,489 and other species yes that is that is 880 00:45:58,890 --> 00:45:54,999 correct and abduction experiencers 881 00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:58,900 report the most prevalent species 882 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:01,359 that have been taken them or what we 883 00:46:05,970 --> 00:46:03,730 call the greys ORS natives and there are 884 00:46:08,670 --> 00:46:05,980 two different sizes there is of a 885 00:46:11,279 --> 00:46:08,680 three-foot-tall craze with the gray skin 886 00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,289 and very large heads and black shiny 887 00:46:15,660 --> 00:46:13,839 eyes then there are the taller ones that 888 00:46:17,940 --> 00:46:15,670 are four and a half to five feet tall 889 00:46:20,339 --> 00:46:17,950 the small ones seem to be the assistants 890 00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:20,349 the taller ones of the escorts and the 891 00:46:27,690 --> 00:46:23,049 physicians so you have the Grey's 892 00:46:30,839 --> 00:46:27,700 experiments then individuals often today 893 00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:30,849 report what they call a mantis type 894 00:46:39,089 --> 00:46:34,569 being and the mantis type being seems to 895 00:46:45,029 --> 00:46:39,099 be highly telepathic empathetic very 896 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:45,039 frightening to look upon but people seem 897 00:46:51,269 --> 00:46:48,010 to have a positive attitude toward this 898 00:46:55,019 --> 00:46:51,279 being they tend to be physicians and 899 00:46:57,690 --> 00:46:55,029 might work alongside the grace or the 900 00:47:00,180 --> 00:46:57,700 zetas quo in what they're doing they're 901 00:47:02,250 --> 00:47:00,190 much taller than the Zetas they might be 902 00:47:05,010 --> 00:47:02,260 five and a half to six feet tall and 903 00:47:07,799 --> 00:47:05,020 some people have reported that they seem 904 00:47:11,220 --> 00:47:07,809 to be able to fold their legs up almost 905 00:47:13,410 --> 00:47:11,230 like think of a grasshopper to make them 906 00:47:16,140 --> 00:47:13,420 sell short er it's really bizarre to 907 00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:16,150 think of that and they might even have 908 00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,599 an exoskeleton mm-hmm there's another 909 00:47:25,289 --> 00:47:22,000 choice checked the bad boys of the 910 00:47:30,329 --> 00:47:25,299 neighborhood I call them and those are 911 00:47:33,660 --> 00:47:30,339 the reptilians of the Reptoids and I get 912 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:33,670 I received mixed reports about them and 913 00:47:40,049 --> 00:47:35,770 they tend to be about five and a half to 914 00:47:41,339 --> 00:47:40,059 six or even seven feet tall frightening 915 00:47:46,890 --> 00:47:41,349 in there and damina 916 00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:46,900 they tend to engage in sexual activity 917 00:47:54,690 --> 00:47:49,680 with humans that seems to be a focus 918 00:47:57,150 --> 00:47:54,700 with reptilians and it's very very 919 00:47:59,970 --> 00:47:57,160 distressing for people who have taken by 920 00:48:00,809 --> 00:47:59,980 them who consider themselves to offend 921 00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:00,819 rape 922 00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:03,569 yet some people have even reported 923 00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:07,599 positive relationships with reptilian 924 00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,200 beings as well a few have reported that 925 00:48:15,509 --> 00:48:13,839 to me yes well we're just about out of 926 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:15,519 time here but I had one more question 927 00:48:22,170 --> 00:48:18,730 has anyone that you've ever talked to 928 00:48:27,660 --> 00:48:22,180 had received any telepathic message 929 00:48:31,769 --> 00:48:27,670 about where we're going as as Earthlings 930 00:48:34,829 --> 00:48:31,779 and our planet or anything like that the 931 00:48:41,569 --> 00:48:34,839 messages that humans receive tend not to 932 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:41,579 be entire very specific people are shown 933 00:48:47,849 --> 00:48:45,490 images either on screens or these images 934 00:48:51,289 --> 00:48:47,859 are just projected into their minds 935 00:48:56,329 --> 00:48:51,299 where they see destruction they see 936 00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:56,339 cataclysmic scenes such as volcanoes or 937 00:49:03,980 --> 00:49:00,400 tsunamis and that sort of thing and then 938 00:49:06,990 --> 00:49:03,990 they've come to pass as we know already 939 00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:07,000 some people are also shown what appears 940 00:49:14,819 --> 00:49:10,440 to be a distant planet that is brown and 941 00:49:18,089 --> 00:49:14,829 appears incapable of harboring life and 942 00:49:21,029 --> 00:49:18,099 so I wonder if that is their planet hmm 943 00:49:24,509 --> 00:49:21,039 and that's one reason that perhaps 944 00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:24,519 they're probably living out somewhere in 945 00:49:31,289 --> 00:49:28,079 our solar system on a very large craft 946 00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:31,299 mm-hmm Wow very interesting or that 947 00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:33,369 could be our planet in the future I 948 00:49:40,589 --> 00:49:38,319 suppose it could be but if we lose our 949 00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:40,599 magnetic sphere however you say that yes 950 00:49:46,529 --> 00:49:44,319 that's our magnetic field yeah collapses 951 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:46,539 yeah this has been absolutely 952 00:49:51,329 --> 00:49:49,210 fascinating thank you so much thank you 953 00:49:52,980 --> 00:49:51,339 for having me it was a pleasure and you 954 00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:52,990 have a lot of things going on this year 955 00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:55,390 I certainly do you can go to my website 956 00:50:03,930 --> 00:50:00,880 at Kathleen with a K - Mardan ma rden 957 00:50:05,940 --> 00:50:03,940 there is a list of the events that I'll 958 00:50:07,309 --> 00:50:05,950 be speaking at there are articles that 959 00:50:10,609 --> 00:50:07,319 you can read you can purchase 960 00:50:12,779 --> 00:50:10,619 autographed copies of my books and DVDs 961 00:50:13,290 --> 00:50:12,789 all right great 962 00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:13,300 so this